Sunday, 10 April 2011

Feminism, Social Utility and the Men's Rights Movement


The following research has some interesting implications for anti-feminists and the international Men's Rights Movement:

Faith no more! From New Zealand to Canada, religion 'to become extinct' in nine countries

Religion is on course to virtually die out in nine countries, according to a new study. Research using census data from a selection of countries concluded there is a steady rise in people claiming no religious affiliation. The findings, unveiled at a American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, was drawn from data stretching back 100 years from these countries: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

The study was carried out by Northwestern University and the University of Arizona. Richard Wiener, of the Research Corporation for Science Advancement, led the scientific survey. He said: 'In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion. 'In the Netherlands the number was 40%, and the highest we saw was in the Czech Republic, where the number was 60%.'

Mr Wiener did, however, admit the highly-formulaic study only provided ‘suggestive results’ and recognised it did not represent the structure of modern society with the way it calculated each person being influenced equally by all other people. It followed a formula used in 2003 research on the decline of lesser-spoken world languages. At its heart is the competition between speakers of different languages, and the 'utility' of speaking one instead of another, the BBC reports. Mr Wiener said: 'The idea is pretty simple: social groups that have more members are going to be more attractive to join. 'For example, there can be greater utility or status in speaking Spanish instead of the dying language of Quechuan in Peru, and similarly there's some kind of status or utility in being a member of a religion or not.' Put simply, it shows that social groups have a kind of 'gravity' that drags in more people the bigger they are.

The same principle can be seen on the web when it comes to the growth of some social networking sites over others. The paper adds: 'Some other competitive social systems in which identical or very similar models may apply include, for example, smoker versus non-smoker, vegetarian versus meat-eater, obese versus non-obese, and Mac user versus PC user.'

Mrs Wiener said: 'It's interesting that a fairly simple model captures the data, and if those simple ideas are correct, it suggests where this might be going. 'Obviously much more complicated things are going on with any one individual, but maybe a lot of that averages out.'

SOURCE: UK Daily Mail



I believe that the insidious growth of misandrist feminism so ably described on the gynotheory blog is partly due to its high 'social utility' - the countless advantages it showers on its adherents (both male and female). Of course, the fact that Anglo-Saxon culture harbors a puritanical, reflexively misandrist animus has also facilitated this hegemonic expansion.

By contrast, the Anglo-American Men's Rights movement remains a weak, marginalized social entity. Unlike feminism, it enjoys little or no 'social utility', rather resembling some obscure sect like the Shakers. Most MRA activity remains virtual, seldom infiltrating the mainstream media . Feminism, by contrast, has thoroughly infiltrated the socio-political establishment. In sum, MRAs remain cultural outlaws - which, while it may be superficially romantic leaves us with no real power and no chance of changing anything. This is merely an objective assessment.


Unless the social utility of Anglo-American masculinism improves dramatically, it must remain an obscure subculture associated with social and political failure. Consider the relative success of Futrelle's Manboobz blog: both women and manginas flock to it despite the abysmal level of research and argument contained therein. Women enjoy it because it notionally reinforces the social advantages and spurious victim-status they revel in; manginas and White Knights flock to it because it ingratiates them with women, offering the prospect of sexual relations. By contrast, this blog only attracts high IQ males from across the Anglosphere and beyond, despite its robust conceptual foundations.

In our perspective, the misandry inherent in Anglo-American culture plays a potent role in maintaining the elevated social profile of feminism - an ongoing, omnipresent Kulturkampf. In Anglo-Saxon culture we have a Manichaean dualism that reflexively equates boys, men and masculinity with evil and girls, women and femininity with good. This covert campaign perpetuates the parlous state of Anglo-American masculinity and assures the cultic marginalization of the Men's movement.


As ever, the 'old style' masculinism which yearns to return to some mythical 'patriarchal' past (when Anglo-Saxon culture has always maintained an informal contra-masculine position) merely maintains the poor public image of organized masculinism. Indeed, the abject public image of Anglo-American MRAs - angry, maladjusted men living in trailer parks with guns under the bed - is continually reinforced by both Anglo culture and 'traditional' masculinists themselves.

Somewhere along the line, if MRAs are serious about rising from subcultural obscurity to become a credible political force across the anglosphere, a complete redefinition of contemporary masculinism is essential. It needs to confer the social benefits presently showered by feminism on its adherents - state-sanctioned legal, healthcare, welfare, educational and media advantages, not to mention (for men, at least) improved access to sex. On all these fronts, masculinism has shown itself an unmitigated failure. A complete conceptual translation is required to liberate the movement from its 'utility ghetto'. Smart, progressive, rational, overclass, self-aware and sexy - these are the core 'social proofs' any successful movement must demonstrate to flourish in this image-conscious age - and presently, in the coarse hands of 'old style', reactionary MRAs this movement projects none of these benefits.

Of course, it is much easier to argue for this redefinition than to actually realize it across the Anglosphere. Reactionary MRAs - what I call 'the 1958 brigade' - presently define and control the movement's public image (such as it is). However, if the Anglo-American men's movement is to transcend its currently marginalized and ineffective condition, such redefinition is imperative. At least online, the good news is that a growing network of thoughtful, urbane blogs, sites and fora - Gynotheory, Scarecrow's Blog and several others - are injecting a measure of positive 'social equity' into the movement. However, much more positive activity is needed to lift this movement with the necessary 'social utility' to seriously contest the feminist hegemony.

19 comments:

  1. Watering down our beliefs will kill us quicker than being angry. Look at muslims,every time somebody draws a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed,the muslims firebomb the person's house and they still have half the world (the stupid ass liberal half)convinced they're a "religion of peace" and the numbers of muslims continues to rise.

    I think it is arguable whether or not mainstreaming the movement will accomplish the aims that we seek or not. 100,000 MRAs worldwide constantly attacking misandry and feminists, day and night, might ultimately prove more successful. Women, and by extension, feminists,constantly harass people over things they "feel" and no matter how many times logic proves their arguments to be basically retarded monkey gibberish, they keep advancing them.

    They have even gone so far as to say logic is "a tool of the patriarchy" and deemed it "unnecessary" for this reason.

    How do you fight the illogical with logic? You can't. But you CAN fight them with ridicule and anger. They understand that. If every time they advance an anti-male position they are met with anger and ridicule, it might give us an advantage.

    Ultimately, I don't know.

    But I do know that you can't argue reason with people like Dr. Phil, they won't listen to it, they just go "But,she's a WOMAN! You need to man up and be her doormat."

    This leads me to believe that we need a guerrilla approach to fighting misandry, but such an approach needs a LOT of guerrillas as there are usually heavy casualties and the warfare is constant and bloody. By being constantly at war in the public,perhaps in private there will be an "eye of the storm" where men and women meet without the political bullshit.

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  2. Ah Rookh, it has been far too long...

    I don't doubt what you are saying - the MRA has been around for decades and is only slightly more visible in the grand scheme of things than it was back then. Far too many men do not take it seriously.

    The easiest way to combat feminism, I think, is to simply let karma, Mother Nature and demographic trends run their current course. Feminism, with its pigeonholing of women into areas of life which many are ill-suited for (careers etc), overt mistreatment of men (rather than tacit) and dearth of births (due to feminist women neglecting childbirthing and being undesirable partners) is its own worst enemy.

    What about us? Well, I'm not sure what we can do except try to avoid immersing in Anglo culture (specifically Anglo women) where possible. Take Anglo countries for all they're worth and then...poof! We have to look after #1 + those who will listen.

    Certainly, I don't think that alerting feminists to their shortcomings (not that they'll listen) is a particularly smart move.

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  3. Brilliant post. Current MRA opposition to female supremacy is stale and stilted. Some of this resistance is merely pro forma. For the rest, it can be likened to a Parliamentary "loyal opposition"; not formally a part of the governing majority, but very much a part of the governing institution through which the majority governs.

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  4. *Certainly, I don't think that alerting feminists to their shortcomings (not that they'll listen) is a particularly smart move.*

    Absolutely agreed, but raising the social utility of masculinism does not necessarily involve that. Getting more men to retract their consent from the Anglosphere and thus hastening the social erosion inhering to misandrist feminism represents a sterling strategy... and right there, we have enhanced the social utility of Anglo-American masculinism without even trying. Cool, hip, counter-cultural and unmistakably 'overclass' - what more could one ask for?

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  5. Every day I meddle in this stuff, I feel like a one-legged cat trying to bury a turd on a frozen ice pond.

    But, I am not going to give up.

    The goal here is to improve the quality of life for future generations of men...

    Even though those future generations are the result of thug breeding?...

    One leg - frozen pond - cannot bury the turd...

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  6. Relocating so a semi-modern country like Turkey or Morocco might be the solution for those that can afford it.

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  7. I can see what you are writing about Rookh. Post a book on a forum and almost nobody views or comments on it. There is a dearth of research you can post about, and few take the time to read and discuss it if you do.

    If you mention politicians, lobbyists, grant-writers, etc., you might as well post a warning label "Please Ignore Vociferously." The classic response is "Why Don't YOU Go Do It?" The tacit rejoinder to this is "By Yourself - Don't Bother Us!"

    Too many of these blogs. and especially the forums, are becoming bastions of anonymous group therapy for the walking wounded.

    It's not that hard to set up a seminar or a conference. Many current hotels cannot survive on their rooms and in-house restaurants alone. They all have space for groups to meet in and usually provide perks for it (coffee and danish, AV equipment, etc.). Where I live, even the local library will provide a meeting or conference room.

    Glenn Sacks is leading the way and should be copied.

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  8. Santo,

    Some very good points. I agree, the MRA movement has to shed its 'blue collar', jaundiced mien as soon as possible. As you say, it isn't that hard to organize conferences and project a reasonable, middle class public image. I once read an interesting article about the rise of Facebook over Myspace. This argued that the 'middle class' look and feel of Facebook assured its hegemony, since all classes respond to 'middle class' media and the general aura of success they project. By implication, 'cluttered', scurrilous media aimed at the working class will never transcend that class and always remain 'ghettoized' and marginal.

    There are important lessons there for the men's movement. Blue-collar, misogynist, INCEL ranters with guns under the bed can never gain the necessary social leverage to achieve anything. Redefinition is urgently required...

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  9. Rookh;
    Part of the problem too is that the feminist forces have such dominance in the mass media that most of the MRM can't even get a fair hearing. This is especially true of the so-called 'entertainment media' fobbed off on us by Murdoch which lampoons and shames men who dare cross feminist ideology. It should be noted, too, that foreign/traditional women are never portrayed in a positive light either.

    In the US, the news media---which has become under Murdoch's monopolism practically nothing more than an extension of the entertainment media---never reports anything positive about the MRM and revels in trumped-up 'sex scandals'.

    Because of this media stranglehold, I tend to doubt that a politcal solution to men's issues is practically possible. That's why I think it best to encourage and support men who MGTOW or seek no-Anglo women and use the Internet as support networks to counter the shaming and guilt-tripping we men are exposed to daily. Feminism can really only collapse by recapturing the culture, and that means keeping away sexually from the Anglobitch and keeping her from reproducing more clones of herself.

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  10. I should have expressed myself better. My comment above was meant to describe the "1958 Brigade" and not the entirety of the MRM. The trailer park fellows with guns under their beds are the equivalent of skinheads and "White Nationalist".

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  11. Too bad the church is a social group lead my men who tend to molest children, and then do not go to jail for it.

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  12. *Too bad the church is a social group lead my men who tend to molest children, and then do not go to jail for it.*

    Too bad that the PUA community failed to cure your sexual disenfranchisement because Anglo-American women use sex as a weapon.

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  13. PuaHate:
    Ever heard of false accusations? Amazing how most of these accused priests happen to be dead when these allegations come out (after several decades)and after some fat out-of-court settlements have been tendered.

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  14. PUA Hate is a forum largely comprised of deluded White Knights and failed PUAs, with a sprinkling of feminist trolls for good measure. They pretend they don't need PUA techniques because Anglo-American women are such warm, giving angels. If that were really the case, why do they spend every waking moment on their forum? Hardly a troop of Don Juans, huh? The blunt fact of the matter is, these fellows tried PUA techniques and failed... now, unable to challenge their cultural programming, they hate on the PUAs instead of the misandrist, hypergamous Anglo women who rejected them.

    As someone here once wrote, Anglo-American White Knights suffer from a kind of mental blindness that prevents them viewing women objectively, returning again and again to their defense even while living in a trailer-park, paying half their wages in alimony and nibbling stale pizza for supper. 'Losers' is far too mild a word to describe these poltroons.

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  15. Rookh,

    Well, PUA is largely a load of crap (guys who excel in 'picking up' Anglo women are usually REALLY thugs or players, rather than merely pretending to be), so I can understand why they despite it. I would be pretty annoyed if I was sold a pack of lies. I would say that they should treat both PUA AND Anglo women with contempt, not just PUA.

    This Canadian girl admitted to me that Anglo girls did date players a lot. She thought that it was just "a mistake of youth" and that them being sub-par characters was "merely my perception". Yeah, way to trivialise my adverse experiences. It also amuses me how they expect half-decent men to not only just embrace them when they are older and less attractive, but also the bad feelings they've developed against men generally as a result of consorting with idiots for most of their lives.

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  16. If your observation is "merely" a personal perception, how come the Anglosphere began to fall apart the minute contraception liberated female sexuality? If their chosen males were such 'well-met' characters, surely this situation would never have arisen:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267009/The-towns-births-outside-marriage.html

    Note how the article skirts the thorny issue of unfettered female 'choice' as the root cause of this social anarchy. Like all good White Knights, the 'conservative' Anglo media can never blame women for anything - not even women with smoking guns in their hands.

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  17. It doesn't surprise me about the composition of PUAHate. To me. Game/PUA and Mangina/White Knightism are two sides of the same coin: both try to enshrine the feminine for purposes of winning sexual favors.

    I've often wondered: why do the supporters of both theories---who are so aggressive at promoting their doctrines and attacking the MRM-- suddenly become so modest about their success stories? It would be a lot more interesting, not to mention convincing; if they were telling us all of the NFL cheerleaders, Hollywood starlets, and swimsuit models they are dating and marrying. Instead, they both spend a lot of time attacking those of us who drop out of Anglo- American relationships, when logically our absence should benefit their prospects.

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  18. "If their chosen males were such 'well-met' characters, surely this situation would never have arisen"

    I agree fully, but I was actually labelling Anglo women themselves as sub-par individuals.

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