Friday, 19 January 2018

‘Anonymous’ and ‘Ripper’ on the Manifest Inferiority of Anglosphere Culture

Foreign Women V Angloblimps

Two posters have weighed in with excellent comments on my previous post. While both ‘Anonymous’ and ‘Ripper’ extol the superiority of French culture and society over their Anglo-Saxon counterparts, Anonymous draws on his personal experience of living as a North American expat in France to lay some hard-won wisdom on us:

I'm one of the "exiles" from the failing and falling down Anglosphere, moved from the US to southwestern France over a decade ago and it's been a blessing in every dimension: career, love life, family, life quality, health, education, food. Everything. I was part of a big movement of Americans and Canadians who made our exit right around the start of the great Recession. The Silicon Valley press never had a precise name for us, but most of us made our fortunes in the software industry, saw writing on the wall and cashed in our stock options before the big crash of the S&P and Nasdaq in 2008.

But after dodging one bullet, we were left pondering why we should risk everything again in the even more dangerous and unpredictable world of US divorce courts. Many of us had seen multimillionaire colleagues reduced to poverty and misery in US family courts after their wives sued for divorce. And slowly but surely we realized the problem was more than a few isolated cases or soothing marriage counselor platitudes. It was in the broader American, and more generally Anglophone culture itself. And in the brainlessness of the courts that give carte blanche to the most parasitic women to leech off their spouses who contribute to society. Around the same time we realized our skills were in demand internationally, and with Web design and software engineering jobs becoming portable thanks to remote platforms, it made sense for us to pack up and move. Most of us still wanted to start families and raise kids, but we realize we'd be putting our fortunes and hard work at risk by doing this in the US. Like you said, prenups don't give you any real protection in Ameican family courts. Only being out of the jurisdiction of these kangaroo courts entirely can do that.

Our friends and colleagues who lost everything were typical of the hypocrisy that's infected all US family law. The men were "working too hard", you see, not enough time for the wife and kids even though the men's hard-earned paychecks were supporting these selfish bitches' ability to shop themselves silly and whine and moan in the first place! American and Anglo grown women with kids are still basically whiny little girls this way, they're never satisfied with their lot no matter how much their husbands slave away for them, even if they work 80 hour weeks in some struggling software company to give them a life of luxury. This is where the Anglosphere goes full stupid. Almost any other country would realize the wives complaints have no basis, that they're acting like spoiled brats and tell them to shove it. But US family courts thanks to feminism, the politically correct "mainstream media" and the collusion of moron white knight cucks, instead indulges this female infantilism from coddled, spoiled brat wives with no appreciation for things like hard work, sacrifice and patience.

Thus the ongoing merry go round of inanity with "community property" awarded to wife too lazy to get off her own ass to work, on top of alimony, full custody and extortionate child support. If that wasn't retarded enough, now the #metoo bandwagon means the same spoiled brat women can pull the same kind of extortionate shit even with men who aren't their spouses in the US and rest of the Anglosphere. Just make a random accusation about made-up shit over a trivial "clumsy courtship" from 20 years ago and voila, a ruined man and a big payout for the attention-seeking whore. All fully encouraged by the Anglosphere and it's white knight cuck army. (Quebec is better but Anglo Canada is even worse, it's now so bad there that a defendant in sexual assault and misconduct cases can't even submit exonerating text messages to show their innocence!)

I get why some men go MGTOW, if they're stuck in the Anglosphere that may be their only alternative. But far better is to do what their ancestors did but in reverse, leave the North American cultural swamp and migrate out of the country, head back to Europe outside the British Isles. In my case I married a sweet French girl and have 2 lovely daughters and a son. Even if things go sour I know I'll keep the heart of what I've earned, child support would be capped, I'd still support my kids but in a way that's reasonable and above all, is for the kids only, not an end-run to indulge the ex-wife's profligacy. The same goes for my fellow colleagues in France and around the continent, even the ones who brought their American or Canadian wives-and-girlfriends with them. It really is true, if you absolutely insist on marrying an Anglo girl, don't to it in an Anglo land!

And best of all the chances of divorcing are a whole lot less since there aren't any lawyer leeches or judge vultures to profit from the divorce shitstorm like in the US. That's what the Napoleonic code and European law in general get you. And our family is stronger because of it. The French, Germans and most other Europeans are even cool with the open relationship and polyamory thing if that's your gig, and the families still do just fine. It's not our thing personally, but people are really about living and let live here. Another reason that the freedom from all the Anglo puritan horseshit is so refreshing.

One last point, don't listen to the morons who babble on about how "France is going majority Muslim!" These idiots are either deluded or full of shit, this kind of propaganda comes from the Gatestone Institute and other neocon rags trying to push the US into more wars in the Middle East, and they're terrified they'll lose their tax base for war if more Americans wise up and say adios to the Anglosphere and its bullshit. The France of 2018 doesn't give a shit about its former colonial empire, the immigrants now come from the old eastern bloc and ironically from North America while the Muslims are being shown the door. Macron's turned out to be a sly political fox, he pretended to be centrist but on culture and demographics he's more hard core conservative than Le Pen could have ever dreamed of being herself, and he's using clever measures to throw out the Muslims. For him it's more a matter of business and attracting tourists and workers to France, but whatever the reason, it works. Oh, and the taxes? I pay much less taxes in France than California or New York, both of which I used to work in. The numbskulls among the reflexive conservatives love to cite the claimed high taxes to Euro-bash. But when you put all the different American taxes on the ledger, including Medi/Soc Security, Americans pay more but get a lot less. There is no sensible reason not to come here, especially if you want to start a family, which we indeed still can and should.

Meanwhile, Ripper focuses his incisive ire on the excesses of the #metoo campaign currently engulfing the Anglosphere. He also contrasts the mature and truly liberated response of classy French actresses with their whining Anglo-American #metoo counterparts; and yearns to drive our anti-Anglo message across the manosphere:

Have to admit I'm taking a measure of perverse pleasure in the ludicrous extremes that the #metoo shitstorm is going with this Aziz Ansari mess. It's damn obvious that he had a bad date that didn't meet the girl's expectations, the kind of thing that happens to anyone and everyone at some point, from Joe Schmoe mechanic up to brad Pitt. And now because of this extreme stupidity and the blood stained minefield that Anglosphere dating has become, this blown out of proportion incident and the ones to come are going to single handedly bring down the Anglosphere. Destroy the Anglosphere, in fact, as in make it non-viable as a working society.

For women, now no man can possibly go and be "woke" enough to read her mind and all her nonverbal signals, so now every single man on a date is a rapist in the making. Every. single. one.

And of course now men are catching on to this utter no win situation in American dating and Anglosphere dating in general, and opting out. Completely. It is way to farking dangerous to even consider the madness of dating from now on. Ever.

So we've reached the point now where girls and women in the Anglosphere are condemned to a future of becoming celibate cat ladies. While men in the Anglosphere will indeed have no option but to go MGTOW, unless of course they move out of it like you guys are recommending. Notable that now, even dating or casual association at the workplace or socially is becoming far too dangerous for men in the Anglosphere. Ironically this will at least spare men the hazard of getting married in the Anglosphere with the, more probable than not, divorce and bankrupting alimony and child support to follow.

So the Anglosphere is officially dead. Or at least on its deathbed. The Anglosphere is collapsing before our eyes. Stick a fork in it. Good riddance.

Any civilization so utterly dumb and self-destructive that it makes it impossible for men and women to have basic sexual relations and childbearing without a gazillion layers of bottled up social acrimony, mixed signals, mindreading and flaring resentments is too damn stupid, lame and pathetic to survive. You made some nice contributions to civilization at one point, Anglosphere, but now you've completely forfeited any right to survive with this absolute bullshit. You guys are right btw, the one solution for Anglosphere men at this point is taking off for distant shores and different cultures. Give me France any day with the majesty and nuance of a superhot bikini model like Laetitia Casta speaking out against the stupidity of this "movement", joined by her graceful, elegant sisters like Catherine Deneuve and the thousands of other French women who've called bullshit. Let's not jut talk about this here to our own choir, let's get onto other forums, Reddit and the chans, write letters to the editor or even newspaper and magazine articles- if you want to have a halfway normal love and working life these days, and real relationships as humans have had for millennia, you need to get out of the Anglosphere. There is no other way. This goes both for men and for the remaining sensible women in the Anglophere. Leave it. This is our era's "Go West, young man". We have to leave the civilizational shithole of the Anglosphere, there is no other way anymore.

To you American c***s and Anglosphere losers in general, the French are showing us what real women, with class and confidence, have understood for eons courtship, love and mating are a dance, a delicate and often misunderstood dance of seduction, and any civilization depends on it for its own survival. The puritanical and Victorian fainting couch f---witness of the Anglosphere was a poison pill for the civilization for the beginning, that seems to have been activated into a death blow for the Anglo world when added to fourth wave feminism, neo-Leftism and the corporate "throw 'em under the bus" attitude of US and Anglosphere "money above people" corporations.

Anglo fools at one point thought their civilization was superior to the French, Germans, Spaniards, Italians and Portuguese. But now with all the Anglo men (and halfway reasonable women) realizing they can find a sane society only in places like France, Germany, Portugal, Italy, Spain and South America and Asia, the Anglosphere is going to see a massive, increasing exodus of millions of its people, leaving only the non-reproducing dregs behind. No sympathy from me, the Anglosphere has slit its own throat.

And there we have it, pure gold from two men who have been there, done it and got the T Shirt. Now gentlemen, off to Reddit and the Chans...

Joe Buck: A man's sorry lot in the misandrist Anglosphere


  1. Another expat here, visiting the US again in the #metoo age of misery, can confirm everything above. As smart as you guys observations have been, I'm not even sure your observant words capture how beyond miserable the US and Anglo world is compared to not only Europe's mainland but also Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and most of East and Southeast Asia. I've seen it every time I return to the US, but now more than ever before, the contrast is extreme, the metoo mess is directly impacting completely normal, nice and good people in the worst possible way. In Belgium where I now work, and this goes equally for Germany where I was posted at 3 years ago, the culture is a world away from the non stop gloom of the US where I grew up. And the picture y'all posted at the top is so on-target! In Germany and Belgium you run into hot girls like that all the time, fit and trim, wearing thong bikinis out in public, strong and confident women but also sweet and sexy, genuine and happy to interact with men. Not to mention more true blondes than anywhere in the US but they're also intelligent enough to have a real conversation with. People are ambitious and motivated and they do work hard to advance their careers, but men and women know how to eat, dance, enjoy other's company. Oh, and to have sex like normal human beings. Belgian and German girls love for men to hit on them, yes they want you to take care of yourself, stay neat and in shape, be ambitious and have at least some game, and eventually you gotta pick up some of the language(s) (French and/or Flemish in Belgium depending, obviously German in Germany or east Belgium). But they don't expect you to read their minds and they don't call out harassment for flirting even at the workplace, heck if there's a hot girl on your project team both the men and the women in the office will be puzzled if you don't ask her out at least once. The pretty femmes even in the small towns in Wallonia (south part of Belgium where I am now), or western Germany (Nordrhein Westfalen for any y'all traveling this way), will just casually stroll out in a little string bikini onto the side streets on a warm Saturday, far from the beach, just for the sake of being sexy, nobody bats eyelashes.

    And back in America? Oh, mon Dieu, quelle difference! Americans nowsadays are tight, anxious, looking over their shoulders, #metoo and the media lynch mob has everything to do with it. Men in America, and it seems like about everywhere in Anglosphere, can't date for fear of having any slight misconstruance or bad communication aired out as dirty laundry on Fabricatebook- oh, I mean "Facebook" or Twitter or the extreme feminist blogs the next day. Even normal women are constantly under pressure from their "feminist sisters" to "you go girl" and find any reason they can to make the men around them miserable. Both men and women in America are miserable at the work place, can't even look at each other without the spectre of harassment coming up. What's worse, the feminist radicals at Vox, Bustle, TheVerge, Ohnotheydidn't, Vulture and the shrill echo-chambers of the FBverse and Twitterverse are fanning the flames, to encourage women in North America to "name and shame" every single man they've had the slightest unpleasant encounter with over the past 2 decades, and any going forward. Sadly it seems like this is spreading to everywhere in the Anglosphere. And to Israel from what my friends down there are saying, seems like they're now an extension of the Anglosphere and they're getting a lot of our worst elements, turned up a bit to be even worse.

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  2. So, I guess here's the summary-line for you poor souls cursed with a Y chromosome living in the US or Canada, and it sounds like Israel or Britain too. In the #metoo era, your next date, work place interaction, water cooler conversation, any interaction private or public with a women even if it went well- it's now fair game to be "outed" with your name and pic attached, on social media, by these lynch mob witch hunts. That's seriously where the media and movement are going. I kid you not. And it's dangerous. In polls done of Millennials, almost 40 percent believe even a guy just winking or giving a compliment on appearance to a woman is now sexual harassment. Note the poll's of both sexes, and since men overwhelmingly disagree, that means a scary huge majority of young women think this. Plus, black and Latina women are actually more sensible when you break down the poll's tabs, they don't subscribe to the "everything a man does is harassment" line and a much smaller minority of them say this. So, when you break the poll numbers down, 80 percent of Millennial white girls in the United States and Canada are ready to spring sexual harassment charges on you if you just wink or them, hold a door for them or say they look nice. And even worse, to publicly humiliate you by name in social media and make you a pariah and unemployable. Stay away from Anglo girls if you're in the US, Canada or UK, you're inviting disaster!

    Funnily enough, the girl I'm now dating steady with in Belgium is an Australian girl. But the thing is, she's been here a few years and "gone native" so culturally she's like the Belgians now and the Germans next door. And it's night and day. Just to give you sense of how cool it is here and in Germany compared to the misery and drudgery of the Anglosphere toil, I love my gf now, but in keeping with Belgian and German custom, she's totally cool with me checking out other girls occasionally. She's even cool with me banging another hottie from time to time, just so long as it turns me on enough that I get aroused around her and she stays the top girl. To Americans it seems like it's an "open relationship" with Belgian girls on the side, but that's not how they see it here, the Europeans as a whole just see it is people being sexual as they normally are. My gf now even goes to strip clubs with me from time to time- and she's the one who picks them out! And nobody finds it unusual. I get 6 week's vacation, similar to what I got in Germany, I play a ton of sports but never have to worry about nutso medical bills if I get banged up, I make a lot of money in my job and they encourage starting a new business here, the food and wine are great, people are friendly and not at each other's necks attacking like in the US. My taxes are maybe a little higher than they were back in Florida for me but not that much higher and I get so much more for it here. (My taxes in Germany were even a little lower but I still got the health care and vacation bennies, plus free Master's classes.) And when my gf and I settle down and have kids, she'll have many months to stay home and stay with them and still be able to return to her job if she wants later on. I will never go back to North America now. If there's one place in the Anglosphere I have a bit more respect for it's Australia, not just due to my gf but the Aussies seem a little more rational in general, I see that with my gf's friends when they come here. But depressingly I feel like the cultural obsessions of the US and North America have a way of infecting the whole Anglosphere so it sounds like all the metoo and general misandry misery of North America is heading for Australia soon too.

  3. Should probably add, since a lot of you guys are probably wondering, I know a lot of you guys have talked about moving out to other countries, but I bet a lot of poor souls stuck in North America are wondering how you actually do that. It's not as hard as a lot of people say it is. Obviously if you're very high-skilled it's easier to get a work visa sponsored by a company, and obviously engaging or marrying a local girl, or just having an ancestor somewhere with ethnic roots in the country you want to go to. But you don't really need any of that. The way My gf and I both did it, we signed up for courses at the unis, first in Germany for me, and then did internships and made contacts while doing language classes. I studied regular business administration at a public university in the US, nothing special, but I got into Europe just taking higher level classes and took it from there. Another technique, express an interest in starting a business in many countries. Or just start out working in one of the old Iron Curtain eastern European countries, like even Lithuania or Estonia, Hungary, Bulgaria, doing anything, science work, English teaching, tutoring, whatever gets you started. As soon as you get a work or residency permit in any country, even if it's like Slovenia or east Poland, you're good to go form there to move to any other country in the EU.

    And what I said above, all the invigorating and and healthy cultural elements of Belgium and Germany, and of France like the guys before pointing out? They apply to everywhere in Europe, at least aside from Britain. The Nordic countries and Holland really are awesome too, even though they have some of the stupid cultural flottsam from the Anglo countries they water ti way down and still have common sense, plus men and women are a whole lot more open and free around sexual matters, and they're just culturally stronger. Italy and the other Mediterranean countries are a whole lot like France, just with more distinctive cuisine and more sunshine, and improving economies to work in too. All good choices, you won't go wrong working and staying anywhere in the EU. Not hard, and it's well worth it!

    1. Truer words rarely spoken,thanks also for the tips on actually getting to Europe. I'm off to Norway myself next year to start work with one of the oil firms there, though eventually planning to settle down in either Sweden or Finland. Tons of reasons, you all covered most, and indeed the Nordic countries are under rated as good destinations. Beneath the surface of their goofy social experiments they're solid places to raise families. That's ultimately why I'm leaving Texas and the US in general, I don't want my kids to be raised in such a toxic environment as North America is become.

      I've also done some lurking on the fem-crazy Twitters and blogs, and indeed between having to vomit to get rid of the foul taste of their hatred for both real men and women, I got a taste of what the #timesup and #metoo zealots are planning next.

      Now they're pushing for female prosecutors to indict Aziz Ansari formally on rape or sexual assault charges, to make an example of him. And apparently a number of women DA's and prosecutors are up with that, got to prove their cred with the metoo mob sisterhood.

      And Ansari's just the start, he's the example to be set and from there, women will be able to retroactively withdraw consent in the United States and Canada after any sex act. No statute of limitations. So 20 years later a woman could regret a sex act with you, or just make it up, and then boom you get your ass hauled into court, wind up on the sex offender registry and publicly shamed and ruined.

      Oh but wait, there's still more. Several contributors to the blogs working as prosecutors or trial lawyers are going to specialize in marital rape accusations. So now, for any reason, a date gone a little bad, a wife just wanting an excuse to smear her husband and get alimony, just a woman seeking attention which is extremely common, boom, there's a fast path to a rape indictment against an innocent man since consent can be arbitrarily and retroactively withdrawn.

      Feminists in North America are now in the process of formally making sex equal rape, and the man has no defense. So I guess the fertility bearing rate of the Anglosphere is about to drop to 0.5. Oh, except for the Africans, Latino groups, native Americans and of course the Muslims, who ironically enough, actually will mass rape and then impose a real shari'a patriarchy on the stupid Anglobitches who no longer have the protection of the men or more rational women who've all left. North America is toast. Leave while you can.

    2. Haha, looks like some of the w's on my rickety old keyboard got switched up with v's, just swap in w's and it'll read right. Though some of the v typo's make it read unintentionally funny, especially where the marriage part is concerned.

    3. Excellent observations. It's getting to the point in Anglo countries where it's dangerous for men to interact with women. No wonder why so many men are going MGTOW in the US, Canada, Australia and the UK.

      Soon women in Anglo countries will be asking, "Where have all the good men gone?" The answer is they will have moved to non Anglo countries or have gone MGTOW.

  4. This is the most delusional collection of posts I ever seen. As an European born guy and blocked here in the "eurosphere" all the statements made here are, ALL, against reality. Europe is not the Philippines or the pre- Mohamed Bin Salman Saudi Arabia.
    I don't even know if I will have the strenght to write everything because every single word is comfutable and overally it's an huge work. My english is bad? I can't give a fuck.

    The North American Expat named Anonymous tell us how the family laws in the USA have been rigged by feminism and everything is against men. The fact is, the very same is in most part of europe, above all france, where it's illegal to make DNA tests to be sure that your divorced wife's child is your own. In Europe, with few exceptions, the family laws are wronged and unfair like in the USA. Why? Because they are copy-cats. The same about so called family violence, so called rape (regretted sexual intercourses, etc...), so called women's rights (like reserved working places), so called pedophilia (AOC is lower only on the papers), and everything else. Meanwhile right now we will have the very same american situation about the so called sexual harassment because of the #metoo peice of theatre.
    In many countries, like France, approaching a gilr will soon be a crime, if you don't meet her standards. Scefically, France, a country without age of consent (!!! so you would think it's a good place for men, since AOC and marriageable age for post pubescent females is the indicator of the respect of men's right, the lower it is the more men's rights are respected), has already criminalized the purchase of sexual intercourse from whores. French female policy makers stated that they are fed enough of men and unwanted attention. So, even withouth AOC, France is a shithole place for men. But, tell me you moron, in which way a country ruled by a cuck, who is a victim of real pedophilia because he is being molested by the teacher he married since when he was 15, can be better than US or Canada? Do you think it's natural to be married with a mummy 26 years your senior? In which way such a guy could improve men's condition?
    About the muslims, what you say about cucked Macron is true and you should be sad of that, but you as american moron who enjoys bomibng muslims, don't understand that Isalm is the last line of defence of men's rights.
    So, North American Expat named Anonymous, don't teach us about how much europe and france are wondeful, just because your frog wife is still not annoyed by you. Give time to time, and she will steal everything from you. To me, you look like more to a guy who, 10 years ago, left the sinking ship because his common skills would have been soon replaced by a typical BODAWAY without even leaving India to move in the silicon valley. So you found refuge in a backwarded european country (aka france) in which the eagle in your passport is enough to get a well payed job.
    Well done, but don't say bullshit about the feminist europe, please.

    1. The Ripper tells us that: "Give me France any day"
      Well, I already wrote about France, but, man, I tell you, Mrs Casta is facing a bad backlash for her words. She was hated 20 years agou because she was too much sexy being so young, beautiful and big tits; now they have a political reason to hate her more.
      The same faith for based mommy Catherine Deneuve. You don't have idea when the feminist machine catch on you with all its force.
      The fact that a few real women tell the truth, doesn't mean that the mayority agrees.
      Go east, man. (note: the soviet version of feminism was not hatred on men...).

      You would think that it's over, that the sitaution couldn't get worse, right? No, we have the Expat Phil that starts on digging shit.
      Europe mainland? srsly?
      France is described up.
      Sweden is the feminists' hornets' nest, they were the first to cimininalize the customer of whores and right now the govt is making casual sex a crime unless you sign a contract with the girl/woman. The cuck governor of sweden is proud of such a new law.
      Norway? Ask Eivind Berge.
      Italian courts believe to every possible shit the females say, so the last one is that a pair of cops have been accused of rape by 2 american (!!!) girls even if the messages on phones state differently; they will lose the uniform and risk jail (not that I have any simpathy for the pigs...). If they catch you cheating on your wife, the court will make you lose everything.
      In Greece there is the witch hunt against men who buy sex from refugees females.
      German women balme the misconduct of muslim men against white men patriarchy. Reseved train wagons, reserved swimming pools, free sexual harassment compliants to the cops in the case you don't meet the girl's standards, and so on... Many of them treat you like a sexual object, it happened me with a girl, for whom I was just her fetish; and some turned muslim (like that very same girl I dealt with, and) like the 16 yo girl named Malvina who appeared in KIKA, dating a muslim guy (alt rightists made up a shitstorm because the guy looks "too old for her"... just to keep up with the AOC theme and the cultural imperialism of the USA and UK).
      Do you really like to be surrounded by bikini girls whose ass and tits will never been yours? Are you a masochist? That's why I support a forced modest dress code, even more in feminist countries of the west.

    2. Should I go further?
      LatinoAmerica? again, srsly? Have you ever considered the helluva bunch of feminist new laws passed everywhere? From Venezuela to Colombia? (so you can't balme communism). And right now that we have the worst pope ever? The black pope bergoglio? a men hater feminist scumbag like never before. Today he advocated for even stricter feminist laws for fight what they call "femicide".
      So, if you are a fit, good looking anglo male cunt, don't teach us about how wonderful european women are, because if you can interest to a german or a french girl, you can interest to a texan girl from a conservative rural area too.
      Also, pay attention on writing to take care of yourself, because I got the interest of that german girl for something that is the opposite of being fit. It's all about her own standards, brothers. Fat or fit, tall or short, etc... and if she changes her mind, just start on preying your gods, because it will be rape, even years later.

      I only agree with you Phil, about the Israel and the Jewish conspirancy. Israeli men are in deep shit like the rest of us, and I don't give a shit if the israeli women at the end want to settle and have kids to fuck up arabs in the numbers because it's a patriotic duty (and that's true, so you have many ppl messing about the jewish conspiracy). They are over 30 years old creeps in the last 3 days of fertility, looking nasty.

      James Bond, the best MGTOW is Expat MGTOW (that indeed is not real MGTOW if you still date or are interested in girls, that is something natural and normal), but only in countries where feminism is still not strong, or your assets are enough to make you to have a safe life (examples: philippines and surroundings). Check out the videos of MGTOW Expat, Kris Cantu and friends. But Europe is not an option (at least western europe and places like poland or latvia).

      Finally, remember, you all angloamerican patriotic male cunts: this situation it's all your and your own fault only. It started after the 9/11 with the collusion between feminism and imperialism against muslims. If you ever served into an armed force of USA, UK and NATO, you are the source of the problem.
      Why in most part of muslim countries men didn't commit suicide before the imposition of feminism by the west via the bombs?

      Allah Hafiz, brothers.

    3. Anon,
      Your posts are a prime exhibit of the binary, rigid, closed-minded, unrealistic thinking that blinds far too many MGTOW’s and makes you miserable, since you’re missing a really important nuance of the real world that Rookh and the others here are waking you up to. You couldn’t be more wrong about the non-Anglo West especially France, Germany and continent of Europe, it’s miles ahead of the Anglosphere in every way, and much more family-friendly and fairer to men and fatherhood. To you, everywhere in the West and even most of the rest of the world is “bad” if it has even a little bit of feminism to it, and even then a vague, undefined sort of feminism that you can’t even provide details on (since you obviously haven’t even been to these places).
      Again, you’re stuck in that kind of damaging, extreme “either-or” thinking that’s also peculiar to the Anglosphere, and it will make you miserable and fail at everything you do, wherever you are—you have to break out of that superficiality and do deeper analysis. What Rookh and everyone else is making clear here, it’s not feminism alone that’s so damaging and wrecking to the lives and livelihoods of modern men, and to women and families, but the combination of a particular type of feminism—the adversarial driven “us against them” third and fourth-wave of the Anglo world— combined with Anglo Puritanism, cultural Marxism, the common law tradition (which makes divorce and the “metoo” witch hunt profitable to the extremists pushing it), the cuck chivalry white knights who enable “have your cake and eat it too” hypocrisy of Anglo feminists (claim to be strong and independent but need permanent alimony after a divorce) and the crony corporate capitalism of the Anglo world which sees politically incorrect men as easy targets to vulture off of. All of these things are unique to the Anglosphere, and they’re what makes Anglosphere feminism uniquely toxic.
      What stands out most about your posts is their vagueness, the way you decry “feminism” in the non-Anglo West in general but fail to note precisely why it’s upsetting. This marks you as a kind of autistic type who would be miserable wherever you go. As a contrast, look at the specifics everyone else is providing on why Anglosphere feminism in particular is toxic, and why it leads to SPECIFIC POLICIES that make families and normal interaction with females impossible in the Anglosphere. Divorce, for example: the permanent alimony, extreme excessive child support without caps (to fund the ex-wife’s excesses not the kids), the stupid “spousal support to keep up previous lifestyle” standard, going to prison if you can’t pay alimony or child support, the “deadbeat Dad” meme, Dads consistently losing custody, super-expensive divorces, and an insane high rate of divorce (more than half and rising of marriages). ALL THESE MISERIES ARE VIRTUALLY UNIQUE TO THE ANGLOSPHERE! That’s what you don’t get. Even though divorce happens in the non-Anglosphere West, it’s much less common, it’s far less expensive, it doesn’t involve the financial wrecking ball of the Anglo West, joint-sharing custody, capped child support (a “playboy principle” that prevents a gold-digging ex-wife from any “profit” from divorce), no slagging on men after divorce, mediation, much more amicable. When divorce happens outside the Anglosphere, it’s a minor blip rather than the complete devastation that couples in the Anglosphere routinely experience. And that’s because the non-Anglo West has avoided the very division-promoting and hypocritical style of feminism of the Anglosphere.

    4. Gearman, you must be the typical angloamerican miserable loser moron I described before. You write about things you absolutely don't know.
      I can't be wrong about places in which I live my daily life. Oppositely, you are completely wrong about place you never visited beside when you were dressing your uniform of vile imperialist bitch.
      You and the other angloamerican morons who wrote here before have a wrong idea of europe due to the privileges that the angloamerican passports give you, since you don't even try to understand what is going on here.
      You write about that imaginery thing you call "cultural marxism", but you never read a Marx's single line in your whole life. "Cultural marxism" simply doesn't exist; and if you believe that you are delusional like those who think that SJWs are commies.
      But what you patriotic miserable losers fail to understand is that the whole feminism thing was exported in the same way you exported democracy. Europe is passing everywhere specific gender laws to protect, give privileges to females at expenses of men, and I'm not about the family laws that allows females to financially rape their ex husbands, which are 30-40 years old. The aim is to install females in a position of untouchability and omnipotence. Stalking, sexual harassment, rape convictions without evidences, different penalties for same crimes, even no penalties at all, age of consent arbitally raised, harsher punitions than those written in the laws for crimes committed against females, etc...
      Check the suicide rates, you miserable loser.

    5. Anonymous
      It's getting hard to tell whether you're being deliberately annoying or you really are as obtuse as you sound. Or perhaps you're an agent provocateur and a Cultural Marxist in reality, coming onto these blogs to spread disinformation and discourage MGTOW's and expats. Having used to associate with types like you, I'm starting to suspect the latter, since your techniques and style of writing-is EXACTLY what we were taught to use in Agitprop for the new left. It's You are a textbook case of agitprop to try to hijack a movement: full of generalizations, ack of specifics, thorough obfuscations, ad hominem personal attacks on people offering reasoned, seasoned advice, extreme stances with no sades of gray, unbalanced pessimism, defeatism, outrageous claims.

      Either you're a Cultural Marxist yourself in disguise, or you're a paid troll for the big corps that fear mass US expatriatiion or perhaps even on the payroll of anti-Western activists like Soros.

      Nobody could be as obtuse, obnoxious, misinformed, dumb, arrogant, pessimistic and clueless as you AND be so urgent to spew your ignorance all over a board where people are making informed discussion. It just doesn't happen IRL. Anyone who's spent even a day in a country outside the Anglosphere knows it's radically different in other countries especially with the way they handle marriages and claimed harassment because the cultures, laws and policies are so different. People here are pointing this out not just through experience but through concrete references to laws, policies and customs that make them different. Yet your stock response basically boils down to, "Because I can find a single example of a feminist in a foreign country, that means all foreign countries are just like the Anglosphere with divorce and #metto".

      Never mind the fact that (which is the only point that matters) such voices have no influence in making actual policy outside the Anglosphere because the overall culture in the non-Anglosphere, including in the West, is so different and does not allow career, finance and life-ruining divorce, alimony and harassment penalties like in the US. That is the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS in the real world, not your obsession with finding a single example of a feminist overseas who mimics the US insanity around #metoo and divorce policies. Stop and think and you'll realize this is WHY thousands of prominent women (and 99% of the population, both male and female) in the non-Anglo countries reject Anglosphere-style divorce and #metoo insanity.

      Whatever your real intentions you are absolutely not an MGTOW like you claim you are, and you are adding nothing productive to a serious discussion.

    6. The only other possibility I can think of is this is your twisted way of trying to tell people here that the Muslim world is the only alternative to the Anglosphere. Sorry, but no thanks. People here are explicitly looking for expat options in the West or other First-World nations, yes mostly Europe but also Latin America and Asia, in part because like others have been telling you here, there's not a single stable, technologically advanced Muslim nation and Muslim culture is way too disposed against science, technology and modernity in general.

      Plus the Muslim world has an even uglier version of the very Anglo puritanical elements we're trying to avoid and have caused a lot of this mess in the Anglosphere. And like someone said, now the Muslim world is also falling apart culturally and seeing it's own version of feminism arise, which is more like the poisonous feminism of the Anglosphere instead of the healthier, balanced version of the non-Anglosphere.

      Sorry, but no thanks. For our purposes here the best expat options by far are still in the West or Asia or Latin America, just outside the Anglosphere. If you want to evangelize and tell people to join the Islamic world, go do it somewhere else. You are adding nothing productive here.

    7. @Legal eagle
      You are a complete loser and a moron, that's the reason you moved out, since your poor skills in law. You are so uncompetent that don't know the legal systems basics.
      But, I tell you, fighting my facts with your low level slogans (that are the very same of gearman's...) won't help and makes you look like a typical feminist "activist".

      Of course, if there will be a men's libe, it will be from Muslim world fighting against you vile american scumbags.

      You --> in the Jahannam.

  5. You see? Specifics. In specific policy which is what actually affects people in the real world, the Anglosphere is concretely far worse for men and families in general. More specifics, as the same goes for the metoo hysteria. Once again, look at where metoo has caught on, and become an ever more massive wrecking ball that’s making it impossible for men and women to have normal relationships, posing concrete danger for men’s livelihoods and making “sexual harassment” and “sexual misconduct” a weapon that can be used anywhere, at anytime, in any workplace or for any reason, with an accuser having total power to ruin an accused without any evidence even for things that may (or may not) have happened decades ago.

    Where is the #metoo McCarthyism taking place, anon? It’s almost exclusive to the Anglosphere, and also to Israel (which has more or less become an extension of the Anglosphere in recent times). Where is #metoo being rejected, or at least diluted, mocked and shoved aside so much that it has little effect? In France, in Italy, in Austria and Germany, in eastern Europe, the Nordics, in Spain, in Portugal, in Greece, in China, in Japan, in Korea, in Thailand, in Vietnam, in Brazil, in Latin America. Even the Anglo MSM is constantly whining about how #metoo and #timesup “just isn’t catching on” or “just won’t translate” outside North America, the UK, Israel and the Anglosphere as a whole. There’s a reason for that, again the toxic feminism of the Anglosphere is a world away from that in the non-Anglo West. You see? Specifics. This is what people in the real world care about, not the vague “everywhere if feminist” junk you’re spouting.

    Just to elaborate, for people in the Anglosphere making concrete decisions about becoming expats, they don’t get to choose some “pie in the sky” fantasy like what you have in mind, they have to choose specific countries. That’s why specifics like the details above matter. And if you’ll bother to pay attention, you’ll see that the specifics of the non-Anglo West make them very appealing to us. In actual practice we look for first world countries with a high standard of living, where we can get a good job in our fields, but without the toxic feminism of the Anglosphere. And the non-Anglo West meets all our requirements for that. Yes, even Scandinavia does, even more so elsewhere in Europe, as well as Brazil and much of Latin America, China, Korea, Japan, even Russia and much of eastern Europe. All of these countries to varying extents have systems that are a result of the Enlightenment.

    And as a result of the way information spreads, and modern living standards have evolved, yes all of the countries in the non-Anglo West, South America, Russia and eastern Asia are going to have some degree of feminism in them and women wanting to be somewhat independent. But that in itself doesn’t make them bad places, in fact if it encourages women to be truly independent and not try to leech off husbands during marriage or after a divorce, it boosts the living stands of men and fathers, and makes it safer and a more encouraging environment to start families. This is the “Sweden type paradox” a lot of expats are bringing up, even though feminism is strong up in the Nordics, it’s not the toxic Anglosphere type up there because it’s not hypocritical. Women who claim independence actually have to be that way, so there’s no alimony, limited sort of child support and cultures that are quite favorable to fathers, paternity leave, and men’s and father’s rights. I also know plenty of Anglo men who’ve moved to Scandinavia for their jobs or to marry local girls there, and they’re all very happy. Even the divorcees have emerged with no trouble at all, they’re still able to raise their kids and start new families.

    1. Where is the #metoo McCarthyism ? Everywhere, idiot.
      What about: #IchAuch the bitches from germany, #BalanceTonPorc the bitches from france, #QuellaVoltaChe the bitches from italy, #YoTambien the bitches from spain and latinoamerica, #أنا_كمان in places like dubai, UEA and egipt (where so called rape is punished with death penalty after that you imperialst bitches overthrew Morsi and backed the terrorist Al Sisi), ... only in the anglosphere? what the fuck are you taking about?
      In europe females are standing in grat masses against white men. And I'm sure that they are the same in india, thailand, philippines...
      But you can't be aware of this shit since you are into your self rightious agloamerican bubble.
      We have expats everywhere here, oh, no not here anymore cause they r gone LOL! you miserable idiot. In europe you and ppl like the angloamerican men who moved in scandinavia are fine (but wait when their gf or wives get tired of them and you will see) because of your passport, otherwise you would be treated as like us or even worse because you are shit.
      There is no such thing as "good grade of feminism", and mislims know well. The problems start from the right to vote but the real shit is due to the last 15 years work of angloamerican moronic soldiers, the scum of humanity, imposing the feminist agenda after the 9/11 whorldwide, and the pro west propaganda and soft powers (feminist NGOs).
      In place like philippnies, feminism is already there, but westies can have good life if the have enough assets.

  6. Men in the Anglosphere, as a major contrast, have tons of responsibilities and no rights, and are openly scorned by the culture, seen as little more than walking ATM’s to tap by the vultures of society, while women shun femininity while at the same time demand that Anglo men shoulder both old responsibilities of traditional men and an ever-growing and impossible laundry list of impossible responsibilities of new “woke” men, that’s what the toxic feminism of the Anglosphere has brought about. And the media, public officials and useless, short term driven corporations pile on this tendency to make things even more miserable for Anglo men, they’re an easy target after all to milk for their financial assets and what’s become slave labor. All this while men in the non-Anglo West, South America and Asia get to enjoy first-world living standards, good jobs and normal relationships with women and families. Again this is even the case in the Nordic countries, even though a lot of MGTOW and self-claiming “conservative” morons are always trying to take jabs at Sweden and Scandinavia, in practice they only can ever come up with stupid anecdotes, inaccurate statistics or weird-sounding special case laws or practices that, upon deeper examination, turn out to have been mistranslated or made up completely.

    On the things that really affect men in a country, like divorce laws or the poisonous sexual harassment atmosphere made worse by #metoo, they’re suddenly silent, and that’s because the Nordic countries in practice are better than the Anglosphere in real world areas. Even more so in France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, eastern Europe, Brazil and most of South America and East and Southeast Asia. Women in those countries still embrace femininity, both traditional and modern, and while they do embrace a modern level of independence, they’re also very favorable to men, fathers and families, discouraging divorce, making it unprofitable and in general, having a healthy, normal and common sense view of male-female relations that’s a world away from the mass hysteria of the Anglosphere.

    It’s odd you heap praise on the Muslim countries for “a total lack of feminism” which isn’t even accurate, but in reality, expats from the Anglosphere can’t go there in practice because most of the Muslim world is a basketcase, too backward technologically, politically unstable, too little science and tech, too culturally different. You don’t solve one extreme (Anglosphere toxic feminism) with the opposite extreme of the intellectual closure of Islam and the Muslim world. And if that wasn’t enough, the Muslim world is also very puritanical like the Anglosphere—a big root of the problems in both. Yet now the Muslim world, too, is experiencing fast falling birth rates and it’s own form of feminism creeping in, which guess what, looks a lot like toxic Anglosphere feminism because it has the same puritanical roots. The Muslim world would give Anglo expats the worst of the both worlds, a lack of technology and first world standards, but also a lot of the crazy Puritanism and now even feminism that hits the Anglo world.
    In fact here’s another bit for you, the Muslims are now largely moving out of Europe on the continent and going to other places. Even at its worst the Muslim population in France was totally exaggerated, real studies with professionals show it’s actually as low as around 3 percent in France and Germany, but now even they’re moving out, in the past year alone there’s been a mass Muslim exodus from France and mass Muslim emigration from Europe in general. And guess where they’re moving to? Yes, most are moving back to Muslim countries in the Middle East. But a big minority are actually moving to the US, Britain, Canada and other Anglosphere countries. Why? The imams say it straight—the puritanical traditions of the Anglosphere are more palatable for Muslim Sharia law, but Muslims can never fit into the much freer, normal and healthier, non-Puritanical societies of France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and the Nordics.

    1. Stop whining bitch, about how tough you have, because it isn't. Despite the arbitrary and inhuman aoc laws, america is kinda pretty fine for smart men, since they have the pre marital contracts, that in europe are illegal almost everywhere.
      You speack like a machine so that you look like a feminist yourself: "cultural marxism" "toxic feminism" (like if there was a non toxic feminism) and shit on.
      You miserable tradretarded keep up with the family shit and the divorce bullshits, but the truth is that not only in the EU divorces are raging everywhere, but ppl don't even marry anymore! They just live together but since the govts are at the feet of females, such type of way of live are enough to make the man responsible for the woman in most countries, so even if you don't marry her, you will have to support her even after she cheat on you or left you. Even worse if you have kids.
      Those are one of the many specific policies the Angoamerican bitches exported on here. Just a few years ago everything was different.
      Scandinavia is the worst of the worst: it is the laboratory of feminism, where the most extreme things are tested at first. In Sweden, very soon, if you (not you if you have an angloamerican passport) get laid with a girl, you will be punishable for "rape" at her will unless you sign a contract before.

      "Even more so in France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, eastern Europe [...]. Women in those countries still embrace femininity,"

      you are such a miserable fool... "YUROP" IS NOT DIFFERENT OR IS EVEN WORSE THAN ANGOLOAMERICA! Here females are racing to act like men in every possible field, not only work, but even in romance.

      I do praise real muslim countries, since there is no place for feminism in there.
      So I'm not prasing places like Egipt, MBS's Saudi Arabia, UAE, Dubai,... but I do praise Talibans' Afghanistan (that had nothing to do with 9/11 and terrorism, despite the official propaganda), the new direction of Pakistan or the new direction of Erdogan's Turkey after the coup attempt.
      Every anti american / anti west place is good, indeed.
      Great Iran, from the shias side.
      While I'm more for places like in south asia (thai, philippines, etc...) I do love that there are people fighting against the western disvalues.
      If you think that dressing modeslty is puritanism, you are a clown.

      Your studies about migrations are real like ronald mcdonald. I invite you to check the Landings in south italy an spain or the eastern europe route (that you don't even know because of your ignorance). And the best part is that feminists are welcoming them and many are even converting to date muslim men.

  7. As for places like the Philippines, yes they’re nice places and I wouldn’t discourage Anglo men from moving there if they have the means. But at this point, it’s very hard to get a good job there that pays enough to live well as one expects in a first world country. I’m sorry to be brutally honest, and I don’t believe this is the case with all or even most MGTOW’s, but extremist MGTOW’s like you will always be miserable because you simply aren’t realistic. You divide the world into extremes, wanting a fantasy of a first world country that has zero feminism and women without any independence or all. The world simply hasn’t evolved this way, and your binary, extremist view of the world will make “all or nothing” MGTOW’s like you unhappy everywhere because you fail to embrace good alternatives for raising families that are right before your eyes.

    Even worse, you do major damage to MGTOW in general by getting sucked into these kinds of superficial “either-or” distortions of reality. You remind me of the extremists who shout, “Sweden must be unacceptable because it has a lot of feminism and socialist programs”, but failing to actually think and analyze, and realize like above, that beyond all the left vs right pissing contests, the specific “way” that Sweden’s policies take shape lead to an environment that’s surprisingly father-friendly and family-friendly. Why? BECAUSE SWEDEN AVOIDS THE TOXIC DIVORCE AND #METOO HARASSMENT “GET THE DEADBEAT” ENVIRONMENT OF THE ANGLOSPHERE. (And again note, other non-Anglo Western countries like France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands and Italy are a good deal better than Sweden.) It isn’t just us here.

    Read the things that Roosh Valizadeh posts up or the forum commenters are posting up on Rooshvforums or Retorn of Kings, or at Chateau Heartiste. It’s not some nebulous “Western feminist culture” that’s the problem for men in English-speaking countries. It’s that the Anglosphere, and specifically the Anglosphere, has made it far too dangerous even for normies—perfectly normal men who want to be husbands and fathers—to marry, have kids or even enter into normal dating relationships with women. The cost-benefit calculation shows it’s far, far too dangerous to consider marriage or childbearing when you have a greater than even chance of winding up in poverty or even prison from marriage or having a kid in the Anglosphere, or losing your hard won career, earnings, reputation and savings from sexual harassment hysteria, even from casual dating or work interactions, that’s only going to get even worse and more oppressive in the next few years. That’s because of specific marriage, divorce and harassment policies particular to the Anglosphere and Israel, and those are a direct result of the unique toxic feminism combined with Puritanism, cultural Marxism, opponent-driven court system and common law that’s unique to the Anglosphere and Israel.

    The difference on this site and with this thesis, is that Rookh and the commenters here actually provide a concrete solution that’s practical and can be realized by men in the real world. Yes, a lot of MGTOW’s will be fine with just celibacy and Internet porn, but many MGTOW’s still want to have emotional and physical relationships with women, and to start families. It’s just in the Anglosphere, for good reason, they see no solution. Rookh and the many informed expats here provide the solution—moving out of the Anglosphere—and ways to practically accomplish it. By offering nothing but pessimism, extremist distortions and “they’re all the same” or “all Western women are bad” falsehoods and overgeneralizations, you not only provide bad information to men, you turn them off of MGTOW.

      I wrote for the well of other because if I were writing back to you it would be a time loss because you are a pure miserable idiot.
      SWEDEN HAS DIVORCES AND EVEN MORE HAS NO MARRIAGES ANYMORE! YOU LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD. If you stare at a girl you can be jailed, if you approach a girl and offer her a dirnk but you are not in her standards you can be jailed, if you cum into a girl and she changes her mind while you are cumming, you WILL BE JAILED (ask the HERO JULIAN ASSANGE).
      Sweden is the worst place ever, unless you are a dark skinned alchol drinker fake muslim tugh.
      Sweden govt even pay for artificial insemination of the old cunts "who need no men".
      As opposit of you, roosh moved out and experienced how europe is a shithole today. Have you ever watched or follwed him recently? and what about the "not bang" book series? Roosh V2.0 is pretty black pill, from "the game man, the game" to "feminism".

      Here I post just facts. Pure and simple. There are no good western women. Period.
      Even some (because they are still not to the level of the western ones, lukily) non western women who are "imported" (bcoz for feminists is human traffiking) on here, after that they integrate the locals, became cunts like the locals. They get divorce to steal the money and shit...

      The rest is your delusional fantasy. I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

  8. Bottom-line is, In practice, the non-Anglo West (that is the continent of Europe) plus Brazil, most of South America and the advanced countries of east Asia, all provide a reasonable compromise of conditions that make them not only livable but prosperous first world countries for Anglo men to become expats in, both modern but also without the toxic feminism and toxic, “at each other’s throats all the time” culture of the Anglosphere and of North America in particular. It’s specific policies, like rational divorce and marriage policies and lack of the #metoo hysteria, in the non-Anglo West, Brazil/South America and most of Asia that give proof of this. Like most of the other posters here I’ve worked all over the world (photography and mechanical engineering in my case, contracts wherever I’m needed), and we’re posting here to share that perspective to help a lot of you guys, as we know you’re fearful that you can never safely have loving relations with women. We’re here to help you realize that there are great alternatives for us. It’s just that they have to be pursued outside of the Anglosphere, and especially in the non-Anglo Western countries of the continent in Europe and in Brazil and the rest of South America.

    1. Once again, you act like if the last developments in latinoamerica never happened.

      I'm sure you are a typical veteran moron, because there is no logical connection between what you write with what the real situation is.
      This shit is just your own fault, man.
      Blame yourself.

      Just lose your passport and you will undergo to what the real situation like the Others (us).

    2. I forgot:

      Allah Hafiz, brothers.

  9. As an Australian MGTOW, I agree with all of you that the women of the Anglosphere are bad and the #meetoo movement has gone too far. In fact, #meetoo and #timesup has been a boon for MGTOW in recent times as more men in the Anglosphere begin to realise that dating, relationships and marriage are no longer an option and would lead to financial and legal misery if things go wrong for no apparent reason.

    However, I take what you all said about life in Western Europe and Scandinavia being better than the Anglosphere with a pinch of salt as these parts of the world are equally as feminist and misandrist as the Anglosphere (If you want proof of how bad things are for men in Sweden, look up the Swedish documentary "The Gender War" by Evin Rubar). Also, keep in mind that things may be good now where you currently are, but they will change 10 years down the track as more countries in Latin America, Easter Europe, East Asia, South-East Asia will adopt the feminist policies of the Anglosphere, Western Europe and Scandinavia (I remember hearing about feminism spreading from the Anglosphere and into the rest of the world from watching a few of Turd Flinging Monkey's YouTube videos).

    1. Correction: "#metoo".

    2. I think the other posters took into account the fact that the Scandi countries are closer to the Anglosphere in cultural terms. Also, they suggest that the issues might be misreported and exaggerated. What about the fact that divorce rates are measurably much higher (with worse outcomes for men) in the Anglo countries, especially the UK and US? Also, what about other Anglosphere issues like male suicide rates (ANZAC countries), or male educational failure (the UK and US?). That the Anglo-feminist cancer is spreading to other countries is a moot point, as many are fighting to stop that happening. Besides, it only endorses my thesis - that the Anglosphere is the root of these problems.

    3. You must be totally ignoran about what happens outside the anglosphere. Suicide rates of men are almost equal in the feminist NATO area. You lost most of your points to me after this post. I suggest you to educate yourself using the UN data.

    4. I forgot... Allah Hafiz

    5. Here's a video from Turd Flinging Monkey's YouTube page that's worth watching and listening to.

      Feminism in Western Europe and Scandinavia is no different from feminism in the Anglosphere.

  10. Just wanted to tl-dr the informed points above to sum up in simple terms just WHY the Anglosphere is so measurably different and DANGEROUS for men compared to the non-Anglosphere (West and East) when it comes to marriage, divorce, simple dating, harassment and overall lifestyle and interpersonal relations. I'm an attorney specializing in family law, now working overseas myself with a basis to make the comparison, and this is really all you need to know about the real-life decisions you'll have to make in the Anglosphere versus outside of it:

    --- Marriage and having kids are now fundamentally non-viable options in the Anglosphere because of one specific quirk above all in the way the Anglosphere handles divorce: You literally become a slave to the state upon marriage or having a kid in the Anglosphere because at that point, the state has the power to extract your assets without limit in the event of divorce, separation or abuse allegations. Again; ALL of your assets, your savings, earnings, even your work potential, before or after marriage, can be seized from you after you marry or have a child in the Anglosphere, because the US court and civil system gives women and family courts absolute discretion over all your assets and even future earning potential, WITHOUT LIMIT. Now with #metoo, a variant of the same unchecked power has also been placed into the hands of the state (courts), institutions and women with a chip on their shoulder, to bring about complete ruination and financial damage to a man even outside of marriage, due to any hazy allegation of "harassment". All of this is reinforced by the powerful Anglosphere cultural meme of "man = deadbeat".

    --- Outside the Anglosphere, especially in old Orthodox and Catholic countries (Mediterranean, France, Latin America, central and East Europe) and most of Asia but yes, also in non-Anglo Protestant lands (Germany, the Benelux region, Scandinavia), the state has no such power over a man after marriage and having a child. Instead he retains full control over his assets, savings and future earnings, and all forms of support payments are strictly capped. By the same token fatherhood is also explicitly supported (hence sharing of custody, paternal support, mediation), and the #metoo hysterics are dampened both by cultural disapproval and by explicit laws and policies that forbid a woman from ruining man's career and reputation through simple allegations. (The defamation laws are also much tougher in the non-Anglosphere, and women making such accusations are harshly punished.)

    1. You know anything about outside the angloamerican area.
      After divorce euroopean men end up sleeping into cars, and get the rder to stay away from women with electrnical GPS control.
      The #metoo trend is strong as much as in the anglosphere and women who oppose (jist to get attention, not because they are friends of men) get isolated anf faces backlash.
      A filmaker got the distribution cancelled after a sexual harassment allegation.

      Stop whining because not only you don't have it thougher then Others but also because you angloamerican men fully deserved it.

      May Allah enlight you.

  11. That's it, the one reason above all why, as this Blog correctly makes clear, the Anglosphere is fundamentally more dangerous than the non-Anglosphere to basic rights especially for men, families and rational women. The state and a wife or ex-wife in the Anglosphere, or even a meddling busybody bureaucrat, has enormous and essentially unlimited power to drain and enslave a man financially. This is why you have to ditch the Anglosphere and set up elsewhere, and this is one area where the MGTOW's are exactly right Simply dating, associating with women and marrying in the Anglosphere literally and tangibly-- not in some abstract way-- expose even a highly skilled, wealthy, upper class men to real risk of improverishment, public humiliation and severe downward mobility in Anglosphere countries.

    This is the difficult and painful message that my old law firm, when we were speaking honestly, would convey to clients looking for a "solution" to their concerns about asset exposure to marriage in the US and Canada. If you marry and or have a kid in the English-speaking world, from that point on you have a sword of damocles over your head. It's as simple as that, and again, the MGTOW's are right on here. In fact perversely it's even worse if you're a rich or upper-class man, all your assets, including anything you've inherited can be extracted from you under Anglosphere law. On contrary, this is what someone referred to by the "playboy principle" in the non-Anglosphere-- even very wealthy husbands can never be asked to pay beyond a statutory and low limit as support, which does indeed discourage gold-digging since the "lifestyle standard before divorce" is not a factor.

    Just focus on this point and avoid all the distracting issues, because whatever other cultural factors you're considering, these are the ones that affect you directly as an individual, and put you at infinitely greater danger of destitution and disaster in the Anglosphere versus outside it.

    And just to throw cold water on any assumptions that "there still must be a way to safely date and marry in the Anglosphere", I'm sorry, but there isn't. Like I said above, domestic and international family law is my legal specialty, what I've done every workday for the past couple decades. I've worked in dozens of US states, several Canadian provinces and then several law and legal translation offices overseas in Europe as well as (in 2016) in Cordoba, Argentina. My law partners and I have seen literally thousands of men in the US and Canada show up in our office, nervously asking about ways to protect their assets in the event of divorce, wondering about "the perfect prenup" or if marrying a religious girl in a religious ceremony, or a foreign girl protects them. (Short answer-- it doesn't, not if you're still living in North America or anywhere in the Anglosphere.) I'm sorry, but if you want to establish a meaningful relationship with a woman, have kids, start a family-- the things fundamental to any society for centuries-- there is now no alternative to becoming an expat outside the Anglo world. None.

    1. "On contrary, this is what someone referred to by the "playboy principle" in the non-Anglosphere-- even very wealthy husbands can never be asked to pay beyond a statutory and low limit as support, which does indeed discourage gold-digging since the "lifestyle standard before divorce" is not a factor."

      You are crazy and a bad, ignorant lawyer as well.
      In Europe you have to support in every possible way not only your ex wife who is richer than you, but a simple, never married partner too. You don't know what the Instabul Convention is... an your job should be about domestic and family law. Maybe it's true that american prestigius schools are just crap full of empty appearances like some say here.

      Go back to school, possibly a non angloamerican one, and study.

      To protect assets, they have to move them in the "rogue states" of fiscality, like panama, andorra, etc; obviously you will never be able to live in the west anymore.

      I could never imagine how idiotic educated american men could be, but after all you are the main reason of this situation worlwide.

      Allah Hafiz

  12. The family law policies in the Anglosphere really have become THAT dangerous and perverse, and now with the #metoo hysterics and media push, it's only going to get even worse for men, families and reasonable women in the Anglosphere. I think other posts here have covered why, but if they haven't, here's the tl-dr: it's due to the particularities of Anglo common law (which is we learn from Day One in law school, is a whole different animal from civil statutory law), stare decisis and political/administrative inertia in Anglo legal tradition (feminists claiming female independence while clinging to "helpless wife" assumptions used to justify long term alimony), the oppositional essence of US law, media and culture. And don't think the political system, elections or either US political party will give you relief. For ex., guess who shot down two major attempts at alimony reform in Florida and Alabama, both of which have esp. harsh alimony statutes that hit ex-husbands hard? The foolish pro-alimony white knights were none other than two "conservative" Republicans, Rick Scott and Roy Moore. (The real reason Roy Moore lost the Alabama Senate election is that he imposed permanent alimony payments on a major Alabama publisher who was understandably embittered-- the things you learn working in family law.)

    If it wasn't clear already, pre-nups offer very limited protection that's all but useless amidst the full discretion of divorce court judges, esp. after kids are born but even before-- even my own ex-law firm partners virtually laugh when husbands request them now, they simply don't help. Not "marrying a good girl" or "marrying a Christian or religious girl". Here's a nasty stat for you: the biggest jump in divorce, esp. nasty expensive divorces, in past decade has been among Christian and esp. Mormon women (!). Not marrying a foreign woman in the US-- once under US law, she'll have the same power to ruin you as an American woman, and fall under the same poisonous "deadbeat man" Anglosphere cultural influences that push other "nice women of good character" to divorce in Anglo countries.

    1. Once again you don't know what the Istambul convention is, and also you don't know that in some civil law versions of european tyrannies we have overempowered courts that interpret laws in a very creative and sometimes illega way; and since the victims are poor they can't afford good lawyers (not like you) to fight back and impose the real rule of law.

      Moore got shut down because he came on a girl tha in your common twisted mentality is considered "too young" for him.
      Ain't cool since you are imposing that shit with political, economical pressure and where it's not enough, with bombs.

      But Allahu Akbar so some are fighting back.

  13. Since I guess concrete paths to expatriation are becoming a topic here, f.y.i. my ticket overseas was to do legal translation. This is not only one of the easiest but also most lucrative paths to expatriation and you can do it even before getting fluent in another language, since there's such heavy demand for translation of documents and policy reports from the US and UK into the major languages of other (esp. European) countries. And yes, I got started in Sweden before focusing more on Continental law and translation now. And yes, it is true. Although Scandinavia, Benelux and Germany do have more traits in common with the Anglosphere, they are indeed worlds better because they reject the fundamental principles that make marriage and divorce (and now, even dating and harassment) so dangerous to men in the Anglosphere. The only other non-Anglosphere countries that come close are actually Switzerland (which does have some nasty divorces of its own, but still nowhere near the same damage, level or frequency as the Anglosphere) and Israel (which is the only country as bad as the Anglosphere).

    I grew up in a traditional religious family myself, my father and mother are among the fairly few American couples who not only stayed married but actually happily so. And even for me and my brothers, my parents have urged us to never get married in the US. They've soon too many friends and neighbors get ruined. Expatriation is the only option. Save your earnings, sell your assets while you can (esp. now that the equity and property markets are at such high) and use your savings to head out of the Anglosphere, A.S.A.P. People here have been giving some good options-- France, Mediterranean or other Catholic/Orthodox countries in southern/central/east Europe or Latin America, Russia/former USSR, non-Anglo Protestant (Germany/Benelux/Scandinavia), most of Asia. But anywhere else will spare you from the literal slavery and vulnerability to asset destitution that greets you upon marriage or childbearing in Anglosphere countries. Don't listen to any idiots who whine stupidly about how "France, Germany, the non-Anglosphere has feminists and #metoo too". Yes, and they also have no power to ruin you in marriage and divorce let alone dating overseas, because the structure of the laws is fundamentally different, the oppositional cutlural nature of the Anglosphere is absent, and the overall culture even in very modern non-Anglo countries like Japan, Korea, Scandinavia, Germany and France still emphasizes traditional feminine responsibilities while honoring the importance of fatherhood. The whiny feminists overseas are powerless there, drowned out by institutions and the 99% of people who value fairness and reason.

    1. A great deal of wisdom here LE, thank you for sharing. A couple add-ons to your great points, not only do crazy feminists, technocrats, and judges have the legal power to reduce men, families and rational women to destitution in the Anglosphere, they actually do. In terrifying numbers. The risk of financial calamity from marriage and divorce in the English-speaking world, and as you say now from just dating or workplace association, isn't just theoretical. It's real, and very frequent. More than three-fifths of American marriages collapse in divorce, and its' very ugly and expensive there and in Anglo-world in general. We're talking tens or millions of men and families, across the Anglosphere, brought to ruin and financial collapse by divorce or a miserable marriage even it stays together.

      You covered most of these bases. I'd also add that divorce is a huge profit center, not just for the divorce lawyers, the courts, judges, even states make big money from divorce settlements. O worked as a paralegal for several years myself while taking night classes,and saw another ugly truth about why child support and spousal support demands in North America are out of control and, unlike outside-the-Anglosphere, have no limit: courts and states get a nice little cut of alimony and child support as "processing costs", at least in many states. So when states don't raise taxes explicitly to meet all their deficits, they go after husbands and fathers with a brutal "secret tax" in family courts to make up the difference.

      Plus, a point to add to your great expat advice: Another way for Americans, to get to Europe at least, is to find someone in their family-trees who came from the Old Country. If you have a Greek, Swedish or Italian ancestor somewhere, you're golden, and this is the fastest way to get there. I'm off to Italy later this year myself, hired as a statistician. But my cousin is using her traced roots to get there right along with me next year,and with full citizenship. Use every advantage you can.

    2. Completey the opposite of the truth. Switzerland is the country that has the less traits in common with the angloamerica.
      Sweden is crminalizing every male behaviour, we are talking about making every intercourse "rape", and it's not a case they have the world highest numbers on rape cases: because everything is a crime. I'm not about the marriage but just dating and interrelationships.
      You must be a real misfit about knowing laws, while I just posted facts and the fact that you ignore them shows that you don't read newspapers or watch the news, closed in your fantasy bubble of american moron.

      Europe is not a safe place for heterosexual men, and feminist already took over the power.
      When your passport will lose it's power, you will regret your moves.

      Once again, angloamerican men prove that they are the real source of the problem.

      To the others, Allah Hafiz, brothers.

    3. @Warburton
      Get ready to end up living in your car in the sunny italy LOL!

      You all are a joke. Now that I have interacted with some real angloamerican men here, I'm not surprised about the situation you set up. It's all your own fault.

      Oh, Allah...

  14. Enjoy mittle-europa (that place you call YUROP):

    And, remember, alchool is not the cause as the propaganda says, but the consquence of divorces, incelibacy and in short feminism.

  15. To all the idiotic angloamerican and Commonwealth lovers of non anglo europe, here is an nice piece Eivind posted (copy/paste from his blog):

    To my Muslim commenter above, as an example of just how hateful the climate is in Norway, here is an article stating how awful it is that men find young nurses sexy:

    Which of course is "sexual harassment." The very feeling of thinking women are sexy is sexual harassment. The level of hatred against male sexuality is now so strong that it can't get any worse without physically starting to castrate men.


    The expats who moved in europe are idiots who will feel the real europe as soon as their passpport will lose its effect.

    Allah Hafiz.

  16. God damn the lovely the lady on the left is so beautiful and far superior the that blimp , she is so fat and repulsive , could you imagine going out with that fat mess and watching her pull that thong down, ugh would make me sick