Thursday, 3 May 2012

Where Do White Knights Come From?




We discuss White Knights a lot in the Men’s Movement. However, very little digital ink is expended on their origins and motivations. Obviously, ‘sucking up’ to women gives low betas, gammas and obese, moronic misfits their only hope of free sex. However, I suspect there are deeper motivations behind their absurd idolization of the thug-lovers and misandrist feminists that pass for women in the contemporary Anglosphere.

In my experience, most White Knights tend to come from ‘enmeshed’ family backgrounds. Enmeshed families are dysfunctional, lower-middle class kinship groups whose members live in splendid (or not so splendid) isolation from the rest of society. They often have ‘time-warp’ values several decades behind the mainstream. Their children usually wear outmoded fashions and have an inflated sense of their own abilities. School or college is not a good time for them – such ‘real world’ institutions shatter the enmeshed child’s pipe-dreams of his/her ‘specialness’. During this stressful period, the enmeshed family and its delusions are the child’s sole haven. Indeed, the youngster’s attachment to the family matriarch grows ever stronger during these difficult years. This is where manginas and white knights come from – cold, frigid socons spouting their parents’ outmoded platitudes about ‘goddesses’ or, alternatively, socialist woman-worshippers in ostrich-like denial of women's true nature.

Here is an academic description:

The term enmeshment has been widely used in the family therapy literature since it was popularized by the work of Salvador Minuchin (1978)... 

"Enmeshment refers to an extreme form of proximity and intensity in family interactions...In a highly enmeshed, overinvolved family, changes within one family member or in the relationship between two family members reverberate throughout the system...

On an individual level, interpersonal differentiation in an enmeshed system is poor...in enmeshed families the individual gets lost in the system. The boundaries that define individual autonomy are so weak that functioning in individually differentiated ways is radically handicapped (Minuchin, et al, 1978, p.30)." 

Minuchin described the lack of clear ego boundaries between family members which produced a form of fusion, a condition that interfered with a clear sense of self. Much like parental alienation, the phenomenon of enmeshment may be found in varying degrees of intensity, with corresponding degrees of negative impact on child development.

Tommy Fleming is a perfect example of the enmeshed socon while David Futrelle exemplifies the enmeshed socialist. Fleming has the bony, fanatic face of a defeated Confederate Colonel and his website often alludes to the school-bullying and general ridicule he experienced during adolescence. His reflexive adulation of the past represents a fixation with the twisted dynamics of his biological family, nothing more. And his blind woman-worship is best explained by the semi-incestuous mother-love he experienced during turbulent adolescence.


Turning to Futrelle, he clearly had similar issues growing up. His enmeshed family were probably hippies - or at least touched by that counterculture. Man-boob David doubtless gambolled around a middle-middle class home full of Raggedy-Ann dolls and hokey books by the execrable Timothy Leary. In this candy-floss idyll, he could do no wrong: mother-love, food and approbation were ever at hand.

Cue school. Cue gym classes. Cue ridicule by sadistic jocks. Cue indifference by painted nubiles. Cue recoil into enmeshed family.  Cue mummy-worship. Cue self-delusion. Cue the obese, self-indulgent mangina we know today, squatting like some grotesque Buddha in a faded suburb amongst cat-droppings and lesbian love-letters, prattling on about how ‘human’ Anglo-American women are.

The mangina’s retreat from the ‘real world’ into the arms of his enmeshed family is crucial to his fanatic rejection of consensus reality. He deliberately forsakes the social mainstream for a mother-centred dream-world several decades behind contemporary values. Note how Fleming embodies the 1950s, Futrelle the 1970s – the Twenty-First century rarely figures in their pompous formulations. And the same is true of other White Knights, left-liberals and socons in general.

Why does the English-speaking world produce more White Knights than any other cultural bloc? Partly because the Anglosphere’s individualist, post-puritanical ethos creates far more enmeshed, lower-middle class families. In other cultures, greater ethno-cultural cohesion plus overtly masculine values do much to dissolve insular families and disrupt male attachment to them. Military service and legalized prostitution force men out into the wider world, whether they want to go or not. In Thailand, where most adolescent males use prostitutes as a matter of course, the enticements of ‘the world’ are too heady to permit the sickly ‘mother-attachment’ that dominates the Anglosphere. By contrast, countries like England are full of latent-homosexual manginas worshipping denatured, frigid women in the face of all rational evidence.

The enmeshed reactionary invariably becomes a White Knight because of the gynocratic nature of pre-Internet Anglo-Saxon culture. Women were effusively pedestalized all through the 50s, 60s and 70s in films, pop music and television shows. This agenda began to wane a little in the 80s and 90s but only met serious opposition with the rise of the Internet. Prior to that, the Pedestal Syndrome prevailed across the Anglosphere, embracing both the left-liberal counterculture and its socon adversaries. Thus, hailing from an enmeshed family invariably embeds the victim’s mind in the ‘pedestal era’. Both Fleming and Futrelle are perfect examples of this process, in their respective ways. Trapped in their vanished worlds, the poisonous reality of contemporary gender-relations passes over them like the wind.



18 comments:

  1. Rookh:
    Good, insightful article. I have thought for some time now that the state of denial that most of these would-be white knights live in has to be rooted in depth-psychology. Anybody in the Anglosphere can see that Anglo-American women are drawn far more to thugs, bums and males who are the exact opposite of an archetypical knight.

    'the Anglosphere's individualist, post-Puritanical ethos creates more emeshed, lower-middle class families'

    I don't know the situation in Britain or Australia, but the American underclass shows this clearly. It's mostly thuggish males who worship sex for its own sake and who have the greatest appeal to American women---regardless of the woman's class. These males, in spite of their bravado and aggressive posturing are typically utterly dependent on female enablers. They're totally emeshed; and not surprisingly, they politically favor the most feminised mangina forms of liberal socialism that America offers.

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  2. Great article Rookh. I am amazed by how many white knights and manginas we have here in the US. I guess these guys think if they suck up to women, they will eventually get laid.

    In reality, the only way these guys are going to get laid, is if they paid a prostitute to do the dirty deed with them.

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  3. I'm not too sure about the lower-middle class as regards Fleming, Rookh. My general impression of him is that he is solidly middle class.

    His educational background and the fact that he participated in the "Freedom Rides" during the Civil Rights Era strongly suggest unambiguous middle class origins. I could be wrong though.

    Funny you use the term fanatic. This is the exact same word that came to me listening to a talk given by Tommy recorded on YouTube. (I'll link to it below.)

    I can hardly add to this treatment of the socon mangina except to say this: at some level I believe that Fleming and his type know they are wrong. For their own twisted amusement they seek to wear a mask and push a contrary point of view simply to see how far they can go doing so.

    They're hollow men who derive their identity from opposing other men.

    (Link provided is unrelated to post except for a brief but oh so illuminating statement beginning at min. 22.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgPwSwTGe5c&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL12F8B010F024777A

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  4. Not Fleming:
    I think there is a definite connection between the psychology of middle-class manginas and lower-class thugs. Rookh touched on it with the idea of 'emeshment' as a cultural phenomenon.

    Most of those lower-class bums and thugs--- who seem so desirable to Anglo women--- are really just as feminocentric and dependent as the more 'respectable' manginas are. Most of the underclass is economically dependent on a feminized, welfare-driven nanny-state and most of these thuggish men are completely dependent on females (relatives, wives, girlfriends) who enable them.

    Contrary to what Game teaches, these men aren't dependent on women sexually (most of them are promiscuous); they're dependent on women emotionally and often financially. Part of the reason they accumulate harems of willing Anglobitches is not because they want these women, but because they need them.

    Neediness and dependence appeals to the Superiority Complex of the Anglobitch; so she's equally drawn to these needy, helpless, loser males. On the other hand, women laugh in their sleeves at 'white knights' and manginas, because she feels superior by rejecting their efforts at pedestalization.

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  5. *I'm not too sure about the lower-middle class as regards Fleming, Rookh. My general impression of him is that he is solidly middle class.*

    I think British lower-middle class corresponds to American solid middle class. This is because America lacks an aristocratic upper class, unlike Britain. American class does not really go higher than upper-middle class, in that sense. Even the fabulously rich like Gates and Buffett are upper-most middle class, in the strictest sense.

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  6. Rookh:
    That's an important point, one we discussed earlier about the princess syndromes. In Britain and the Commonwealth you have actual princesses, here our archetype is more on the plebian, 'Disney Princess', the poor girl who becomes the 'princess within'.

    I think that's another aspect of Futrelle's mangina-perspective that's different from Fleming's. Futrelle seems to be preoccupied with elevating lower-class women to the status of goddesses, while Fleming is preaching the old-fashioned 'courtly deference' type.

    It always backfires on these manginas though, since they never take into account that Anglo-American women pride themselves on 'not needing a man.' What these would-be knights are doing actually implies that women need their help and protection; which the anglobitch in turn, resents---and throws herself at needy, dependent lowlife males to prove herself superior. But clods like Futrelle and Fleming never figure this out.

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  7. anon0619,aka Adolfsama;
    I see that Fleming and Futrelle aren't the only underclass bottom-feeders emeshed in the past. So what was your childhood like?

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  8. Well done Rookh.I always look forward to reading your posts.I don't always understand all the clever psychological stuff but I certainly understand the effects of living in a culture which never holds women to account.The way things are going, more and more men are turning away from Anglo women to women from other cultures.What will happen when there are no longer enough men willing to protect and provide for Anglo women? Secondly although I like your term "mangina" to descibe these so-called men, I have heard another term which I think is a lot more vindictive. The term is NEW MAN NONCE and it means a man who is completely in touch with his feminine side and is under the control of an Anglo bitch. It might also interest you to know that NONCE is the English slang word for a child sex offender.Just a thought!!!!

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  9. *I certainly understand the effects of living in a culture which never holds women to account*

    That is all anyone needs to understand, all things considered.

    *What will happen when there are no longer enough men willing to protect and provide for Anglo women?*

    I'm sure we're all going to lose lots of sleep worrying about that, friend!

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  10. Question: You are an Indian man, correct?

    India had a tradition of marrying young and little girls to men, before this was outlawed by the BRITISH in the 1920s and eventually stamped out after ... well only quite recently.

    Why do you laud and hang around all these Anglo-saxon westerners who HATE anyone and any culture and any male that would marry a sweet and cute little girl?

    Don't you see that they are no different than they've ever been? They would gladly cut your non-Anglo kneck if you EVER followed the good teachings of the old writings of your culture.

    Why do you hang around them and have them as friends?

    Why all this talk of women, the old writers in sanskrit knew what the problem was and they had a solution: fathers must marry off their daughters young and before puberty. The younger the girl the less dowery the father had to pay the husband.

    Don't you know all this? Why do you reject it, why do you hang on to English culture with it's obsession with wommmeeennn?

    Women are not for marrying. Girls are. Girls will eventually become women, but under your care and ownership.

    Women are owned by other men, or rebellious and owned by the whole world.

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  11. Anon 0927, aka Adolfsama,

    Didn't your brother-blackshirts in Germany have 'breeding farms' for their latently homosexual members like yourself? There are plenty of women in Britain who are racists and favorable to Naziism. Why don't you and your Comrades in the British Union start a breeding farm with them? Then you wouldn't have to worry about converting to Islam; you could raise your own stormtroopers and take over the world with them LOL

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  12. Rookh has hit the nail on the head! I would recommend anybody interested in the culture of the Anglosphere to study the observations of Anthony Ludovici closely.(link on this webpage)


    'Englishness' as a by-word for Puritanism has the new imported American national religion of England,the fact is most clearly demonstrated by the masses' very notable culpable aversion to Islam in Britain.

    A phenomenon not primarily derived due to mass immigration,Sharia law(unlikely to be implemented by Muslims in Britain),the strain on the welfare state or even Islamic extremism.

    The reason primarily is that Islamic culture is, most considerably pro-sex e.g. social separation of the sexes,marriage,wife's obligation to provide sex,definitively male and female clothing,polygamy and male/female rites of passage like circumcision and the hijab respectively.

    Considering the above,one comes to the conclusion that Islam represents a collossal defiance of the Puritanism itself which is robustly anti-sex.

    'God' is white.

    Radical Feminism,is the new Puritanism which is being re exported back to it's source from the United States.

    Given the decline of the traditional Anglican Church in Britain,not least due to the furious ascendancy of lesbians homosexuals in it's ranks and looming legislation in favour of homosexual marriages.Feminism as the most robust strain of Puritanism has replaced the traditional English church, effectively realising it's centuries long goal by becoming the new Church of England which is really Insoc.

    Consider Orwell's 1984 'Anti-sex league'which really means anti male and anti female.

    The Homosexual,although sexually active with men,is the anti-sex in essence or a eunuch.Homosexuals are used as tools of feminists.

    In the Anglosphere he was baptised as 'Gay' or happy in contrast to and a cut above lesser mortals who desire females.

    He represents the perfect Puritan,a ideal Englishman,as s eunuch in effect he embodies the idealistic,submissive Christian,repressed non sexual entity,at the succour of feminists.He is where the feminists want you to be.

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  13. Anon0252, aka Adolfsama,

    Is this why you like slavery? Do you want your child-brides to come from what you consider to be inferior races?

    You're not only ignorant of psychology, you're ignorant of biology, too. You can't build your master-race with girls too young to bear children---and even if they could, they wouldn't be the 'Perfect Aryan' that you all want.

    C'mon, Adolfsama, make your case: how do you build your New Order without female reproduction? LOLLLLLL

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    1. We don't need women, we just create our super soldiers in labs and clone them in incubation tanks. Our secret military installations are already producing tech needed for this.

      When we declare our New World Order has began, worthless slaves such as yourself will be fuel for the furnace.

      Despair, worthless debt slave, and beg that we kill you guickly!

      -David De Aleksander, Supreme Grand Master of the Order of Dragonblooded, Lord Commander of the Brothers of Darkness, The Grand General of Engineers of Hades, Baron of the Hidden Kingdom, The Supreme Master of the Truly Secret Secret Societies, High Lord of Terra etc etc.

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  14. Not Thomas Fleming17 May 2012 at 15:45

    Anonymous2 May 2012 20:39,

    "Most of those lower-class bums and thugs--- who seem so desirable to Anglo women--- are really just as feminocentric and dependent as the more 'respectable' manginas are. Most of the underclass is economically dependent on a feminized, welfare-driven nanny-state and most of these thuggish men are completely dependent on females (relatives, wives, girlfriends) who enable them."

    Agreed. I've seen it first hand. American CONservatives used to point this out, believe it or not. But it quickly fell out of vogue.

    "Contrary to what Game teaches, these men aren't dependent on women sexually (most of them are promiscuous); they're dependent on women emotionally and often financially. Part of the reason they accumulate harems of willing Anglobitches is not because they want these women, but because they need them."

    Excellent observation. Perhaps this is a small indication:

    http://www.rockfordinstitute.org/?page_id=19

    "The Rockford Institute’s Board of Directors

    Mary Kohler, chairman [sic] ”Vice President of Windway Capital Corporation, Sheboygan, Wisconsin."

    "Neediness and dependence appeals to the Superiority Complex of the Anglobitch; so she's equally drawn to these needy, helpless, loser males. On the other hand, women laugh in their sleeves at 'white knights' and manginas, because she feels superior by rejecting their efforts at pedestalization."

    Very nice summation. Perhaps one of the greatest paradoxes of all times.

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  15. NotFleming:
    Thanks for the link: it looks like Rookh was right once again: Tommy needs a mother-figure for everything!

    BTW, relating to Rookh's next article on the Socons: I looked up the Windway Foundation on the web and found they are huge supporters of Newt Gingrich.

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  16. i donno
    i spent a lot of time around the Miami Florida Latino culture and from my observation mangina/white knighting is pretty much the norm there.(macho culture?).looks to me like thug life is something they brought with them.and by the way the police there are well known for thuggish behavior too.
    i tell you from experience that the stereotype of latin women having high sex drives and bad tempers is generally true and domestic abuse by a latin woman is Always excused as being the mans fault.
    a friend of mine from south america told me that where hes from as well as here the most important things from greatest to least are "women,children,the elderly,domesticated animals and then men

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    1. Bear in mind that Miami is in America, so most of the Latina women there would basically be American women in a cultural sense. It is a bad culture that makes bad women, not bad races or anything like that. Men do fare better because of their greater ability to think independently, but that's only relative. The majority still behave like idiots or 'manginas' to varying degrees.

      Just to prove my point, other races of AW are also moody and mean-spirited. Take Australian women for example (Latinas barely exist here).

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